tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649307064049497557.post6831581000922964003..comments2023-10-16T14:26:16.847+01:00Comments on Eric The Fish: Help The BNP Liverpool 12eric the fishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02781390936463298707noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649307064049497557.post-77568152936800242332008-11-26T16:00:00.000+00:002008-11-26T16:00:00.000+00:00Well, with a lengthy post like that, I'm amazed yo...Well, with a lengthy post like that, I'm amazed you don't update you own site so often. It still makes my eyes bleed btw. Yeh, nobody else bothers commenting! The BNP come here but don't bother either even though I would allow it to be published (libel, abuse, threats aside) which is more than Mr D'Arcy allows on his Private Eyebrow site. So much for them bleating about freedom of speech!<BR/><BR/>I take the point that there is a different between what should happen in theory and the reality. <BR/>As a local representative you are clearly aware of this. For my part, I have had direct dealings with housing matters both in a professional and voluntary capacity. Thank you for recommending me for election. I did get asked many years ago but I take the Wildean view that I wouldn't wish to be a member of a party that would have me. <BR/><BR/>(insert subliminal gif here 'VOTE LABOUR' !!!!!<BR/><BR/>I did state quite clearly that there are injustices and this is where voluntary advice centres and points of call like yourself come in. I've actually helped out at council surgeries as a favour so I do know the vast array of problems with housing. The appeal system, like that for social security is unfortunately, often required.<BR/><BR/>Part of the problem - as you well know - was the policy of the Thatcher Govt in preventing local councils use capital from council house sales. Now we are faced with empty flats (aka luxury apartments) with enough room to swing a Manx cat.<BR/><BR/>This Labour Govt must also stand accused due to the iniquitous policy of making people wait 39 weeks before DSS mortgage interest help is available. Ms Blears has recently awoken to some of the reasons why the BNP are getting support. Such a policy leads to a perception that those paying into the system get less than others that haven't contributed. Whilst this policy is changing it is too late for those made redundant recently.<BR/><BR/>However, my basic premise that the BNP are shit stirring remains valid. The leaflet treats this as FACT and that is clearly wrong. It is misinformation designed to propogate the myth.<BR/>We've been here before with leaflets claiming towns are to be swamped with asylum seekers when this is clearly not the case. <BR/><BR/>Let me direct you to another debunking of the myth of Immigration and housing. I refer to the Equality and Human Rights Commission's Report on an IPPRC study in September 2007 (link below). [Equality Act and HRA being new friends of the BNP!]<BR/><BR/>Findings were:<BR/><BR/>90 per cent of those in social housing are UK born. <BR/><BR/>Most new migrants to the UK over the last five years, particularly from the new European Union member states such as Poland, have been ineligible to claim entitlement to social housing. <BR/><BR/>There is no evidence in the research thus far of any abuse of the system including ‘queue jumping’ to the significant detriment of any group, including white families. <BR/><BR/>11 per cent of new migrants have been allocated social housing. The comparable figure for UK born residents is 17 per cent, and for all foreign born UK residents is 18 per cent indicating that though some migrants do benefit from social housing, they are unlikely to do so until they have been settled for several years and become British citizens; and that they are not significantly more likely to benefit than other residents. <BR/><BR/>More than 60 per cent of new migrants to the UK over the last five years are housed in private rented accommodation. <BR/><BR/>In an LGA survey of housing managers, two out of three said that they attributed the shortage of social housing in their area to high house prices. 6 per cent said that the reason for shortages is new migration. <BR/><BR/>Perceptions that migrants displace UK-born social housing applicants may arise from the fact that much of the private rented housing which is now home to many newly arrived immigrants is former social housing stock. Local residents may believe it is still ‘owned by the council’ despite it now being in the private sector.<BR/><BR/>http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/newsandcomment/Pages/Socialhousingallocation.aspx<BR/><BR/>Asylum seekers are often housed in inadequate properties. In Liverpool we had private landlords making money from taxpayers. The leaflet is designed to make people think that you just turn up at Dover and you'll get a penthouse.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Your point about Social Services is unfair. As I've said before over Baby P, damned if they do, damned if they don't. I think this is where I have an advantage over you having seen this aspect from (as Joni Mitchell) both sides now.<BR/><BR/>The BNP leaflet ( I hope you have read it and hope you haven't helped deliver it) is, the more I look at it. a blatantly racist attempt to create tension based on lies, misinformation and provacative imagery. Take the Stephen Lawrence picture. It is said to show him performing a Black Power salute. Why make the point? Would a leaflet using Muhammad Ali have a photo of him doing the same, or more pertinently, would a leaflet mentioning Stanley Matthews show him performing a nazi salute at Berlin's Olympiastadion in 1938? Thought not.<BR/><BR/>If you want to see what the BNP really stand for, read the leaflet, see the lies and read their own words. Look at the White History they want to foist upon children with its revisionism in relation to Hitler and softly softly approach to the KKK. Are you REALLY sure you want to help out these people? See today's New Statesman and my earlier posts.<BR/><BR/>You will be up for election eventually. That is is a big question for you to answer notwithstanding your social work in your ward. <BR/><BR/>With regard to your comment on the arrests in Liverpool, I make no comment on the veracity of claims made except to say that they are hardly neutral witnessess. But yes, I'm aware of some police methods in dealing with arrestees. I find the use of attacks on Jewry (and Griffin referred to phone call abuse being like Kristallnacht) as distasteful. As you well know Griffin denied the Holocaust. I believe he still does. I know you do not. Whenever the BNP bring up claims of Fascism and Nazism, they are just using the tiresome Trotskyite tactic of using opposition quotes and terms to argue against them. Strange times.eric the fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02781390936463298707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6649307064049497557.post-81623207628378166972008-11-25T19:29:00.000+00:002008-11-25T19:29:00.000+00:00Hi EricThought you might appreciate a comment seei...Hi Eric<BR/><BR/>Thought you might appreciate a comment seeing as nobody else seems to be around to comment! :-)<BR/><BR/>Anyway - I have to say, from very personal experience, you are way, way off the mark with the homelessness issue. I couldn't give a monkeys what people like "Shelter" say "should happen". What happens in my town <I>(which has an outrageously low supply of social housing to cater for need - one of the worst in the country)</I> is that the Council regularly "finds" people who do not pay their mortgage "intentionally homeless". They do this by going back years - to when loans <I>(all sorts of loans!)</I> were first taken out; or jobs lost as a result of sickness; or people's actions taken after the house was already unredeemably lost; or mothers unexpectedly having to give up jobs for child care; or taking into account for mortgage purposes money provided by benefits paid for medical needs; or if other bills are paid instead of the mortgage - in fact any old excuse at all!! "How can they do that?" you might ask? Well - they do! And they are damn clever at it! The council is outragously hardnosed about all this - going through regulated motions but always getting to that same "intentional" decision. Of course if it goes to a court of law <I>(and I have been able to do this)</I> then the Council - after excruciating procrastination - do cave in. But the homelessness laws are ridiculously complicated. And it's extremely unpleasant for the families involved - many of them - already the less advantaged or less able members of society. Most of them give up the ghost and impose on friends, relations or, if lucky, manage to find something private <I>(not easy with deposits and advanced rents to pay)</I>. The Council know this and they are quite callous about it (IMHO!). Social Services are a fat lot of good - more likely to break the families up. In fact I'm afraid I have even had to recommend to some families that their older children <I>(16 - 17 year olds)</I> put in their own homelessness application <I>(not paying the mortgage could hardly be deemed as being their fault!)</I>. Even so the Council has a number of tricks up its sleeve to forestall this. Not a nice world I'm afraid Eric. But it's as well to see things for what they are - which the BNP in this case seem to be something the BNP is well aware of. Perhaps if you stood and got elected as a councillor in your area you might also come across the same?<BR/><BR/>A side comment on the BNP "Bakers Dozen". They were mostly old men - found by the police by illegal use of the illegally leaked membership list. The men were violently man-handled in custody <I>(they did not struggle!)</I>, denied medicines <I>(they were very old some of them!!)</I> and were imprisoned until the small hours of the morning <I>(as you say)</I> "without charge". And then released to wander the streets on how to get home!! That's because there was no charge that could have stuck. These police <I>(well - their superiors anyway)</I> had obviously taken umbrage at a prior BNP request not to use to leaked membership lists to harrass police officers who may have been BNP members. You may feel happy this is happening to BNP members - even though they have broken no laws - but do you think this is where the police will stop? This country is slowly turning fascist <I>(oh - wait a minute - you think the BNP are the fascists don't you?)</I>. Well just remember, first the Jews were publically named, then they were barred from certain occupations, the press then tried to whip up hatred against them and their rights to express themselves politically were removed. This is about where BNP members now find themselves. Finally it was open season on them and anybody else who dared question the totalitarian political elite. The principle is now breached in Britain. You - as a free thinker - are at risk too Eric - more so perhaps because you think it can never happen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com